Thing! The price is really bent, especially for our market.

On ebay this class lighters from $ 100 and above, as lucky. There are of course, and simpler, but there is less money. But the price is expensive, even for ebay.

I'm not talking specifically about those two lighters. They can be classified according to the classification of "trench art". So lighters of this type occur. Those that are made of shells, buttons, etc. plenty of money and they have an acceptable, at least you can find at a reasonable price. A more serious with that "artistic inclination, are less common, but their prices are more expensive. So these two are more expensive, at least I think so (may be wrong:)).

Here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/GOTT-MITT-UNS-German-WWI-Brass-Lighter-L-K_W0QQitemZ290382041701QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item439c1e5265

http://cgi.ebay.com/Risque-Sem ... .. 35a5a91af3

Well, what I have here exhibited.

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sspas wrote:

... So these two are more expensive, at least I think so (may be wrong:)).

announced on the idea. If academically - then yes, trench art. rakticheski - that Zeki one zone of the Altai Territory did not flow nearly Lliw a trench-art, from this up-lighters, pistols in the postwar Japanese-style, by the hundreds. The administration of these products are then gave away its share. As it had called, jale-art? :) These two ... the question is - and this is definitely not a remake? On the quality of surface treatment on metal - a trench there and did not smell, those who did - was the time and tools. I would even say that things are not a craftsman, not a mechanic and jeweler. Artel some sort of a master or one? And there is a suspicion that it is not sold in a stall or box, and do well targeted, as a gift or reward.

kypexin wrote: I honestly was convinced that the train is a replica.

Ceremony.

This version - Save unreal for such a trifle. Metal painfully good. Surface treatment - now it's easy, then - it is very difficult.

Append.

These zazhygalki could be made in those years.

There are several distinguishing features:

1. The contour of the aircraft type I-16. Now my head will not come to look for his name. probably would use something stylized.

2. burnishing - something tedious but not complicated

3. Hammer and Sickle is made clear in the spirit of the time. Believe me. My mother worked as a painter decorator like my grandfather. During the absence of components of all images saved in the form of clippings that's on them can be traced to some time which style was used in the fonts, graphics and symbols.

Lefty shod flea under Alexander, so what its descendants in the 40s could not make a couple of lighters:)

You all are right.

They could survive only if they both were in the same hands. And this option is possible.

Yes! The price for which they want to sell, it is unrealistic:)) If they asked for 200 for both, we would be with you in details such as type of aircraft and the slope of the sickle to the hammer did not penetrate. Things on the fan. Generally hammer price insane. this is not an auction and online store. Where are traded if the start of the clouds:)) with the SW.

ENTREGA wrote:

Append.

These zazhygalki could be made in those years.

There are several distinguishing features:

1. The contour of the aircraft type I-16. Now my head will not come to look for his name. probably would use something stylized.

2. burnishing - something tedious but not complicated

3. Hammer and Sickle is made clear in the spirit of the time. Believe me. My mother worked as a painter decorator like my grandfather. During the absence of components of all images saved in the form of clippings that's on them can be traced to some time which style was used in the fonts, graphics and symbols.

Lefty shod flea under Alexander, so what its descendants in the 40s could not make a couple of lighters:)

At the expense of style and paraphernalia or anything I can not say, not my subject. But the material is steel, not shit in the treatment of non-ferrous metals, and not only in treatment. Even at different time costs. Brass or copper lighter of the two buttons or coins, in the presence of material and minimal tools, we can make per day, even a couple of hours is enough (he was thinking for the sake of fun to make yourself). For steel in this design require more than one day and The instrument is needed. The description is written (you can write anything you want:)) for those. personnel and for officers years. composition. From the collection. Ie I understand that were manufactured what that even if the minimum party - not when I have not seen and never will hear. It can be assumed that things were intended as premium gifts, but again was just rewarding weapons, clocks, cigarette cases. About the lighters are not heard. That's what makes us, I even have this question does not arise, lack of skilled craftsmen. Von Hartman repairing gas lighters, even something ishitryaetsya modeonizirovat, refined. In principle, I can even admit that the lighter of the time, but only as an exception. of course like to see them live. By the way the preservation of the style. And the pilots of those times were revolvers or TT?

Hartman wrote:

sspas wrote:

And the pilots of those times were revolvers or TT?

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About what time we talking about? During WWII - were TT, 40 year-r - Nagano, TT started more or less en masse to do in the mid 30's. Search engines now up planes - typically sotankah crew pistols.

But I am special in this historical question is small, the statistics otnostielno CT / Nagan of pilots do not know. I know that Nagano onovnom were in "non-combat" part, voenmedikam in air defense, etc.

In the 40's and 50's for military pilots wearing the revolver was "chic". Was worn in a holster that krpilas a belt with long straps and dangling from the knee. Holster desirable orange color of their tough skin. In combat sorties took the TT because of its charge faster, have in combat could cost lives.

I honestly do not understand why it becomes a question of the possibility of making a "wrong time". Ie engraving, gilding, silvering weapons - is yes, and make a lighter at the facilities or workshops remzavoda impossible? You confuse the quality of the product?

ENTREGA wrote:

In the 40's and 50's for military pilots wearing the revolver was "chic". Was worn in a holster that krpilas a belt with long straps and dangling from the knee. Holster desirable orange color of their tough skin. In combat sorties took the TT because of its charge faster, have in combat could cost lives. I honestly do not understand why it becomes a question of the possibility of making a "wrong time". Ie engraving, gilding, silvering weapons - is yes, and make a lighter at the facilities or workshops remzavoda impossible? You confuse the quality of the product?

In such seamen were Kabura, strap.

I am confused a few moments - this is no ordinary piece of iron, right? What is doping or almost stainless steel? That something else would have rotted down to the dogs - a weapon, for example, vyrzhavlivaetsya for such period, if you keep it simple "in the attic" to completely slo state. Even the same Ronson, after lying some fifty years - clambered very noticeable. Even the nickel-plated marine TT clambered - covering climbs scab, and underneath - rust, remain very deep pit.

And I do not see typical for this time of their normal storage changes.

It is time.

Two - a very confusing explicit steampunk - where it was a site dedicated to manufacturing products in this style, well, very similar. The abundance of bolt, obviously not carrying any meaningful sense, a rope around the perimeter - a cloud of lousy labor all boil (?) Or solder as something together. Now - just then - very difficult. A lot of metal, which must be processed as it drank it all - now you can do it easily, then - x / s, not sure that the machines, the need for this idle and were available for such garbage. I note - not brass (full brass homemade WWII era), not fashionable at the time for such craft have flyers with plexiglass blisters, not aluminum (too frequent "jobbing" material for WWII) - no, from all the available soft and light in the treatment of materials chosen precisely what the most difficult to cut, drill and weld.

Three - confusing choice of form. It is unfashionable to WWII. For the year 1935 - still would have gone, but for WWII, I would suggest something square, or zippoobraznoe imkopodobnoe. And the styling is very strange - that's for revolyutsenegrov, surfaced higher, yes to war, yes to the edge "and our tanks are fast", where time began Yezhov - quite normal mix of sickles and stars, and aircraft. OSVOAHIM such. Bodrenky so full of idiotic optimism - there revolvert quite appropriate and sickle (oh, and fun is out of his pocket to pull out - only manage to sew ...). And then these things love to decorate during the war than the one belonging to what some of H-parameter brigade of something there in the stylization of the banner, but with a list of names.

And then something completely anonymous ...

In general, my professional paranoid soul glozhat great doubt that this was not done was a couple years ago. "Do not beat" the collection, too many assumptions need to make it a horrible truth. And machine-free park and materials and pre-war style and Save uncharacteristic and seller grandmother mad